Honestly, I can’t be bothered to get that worked up about gas. I’ve exclusively bought hybrids for like a decade now, and I’ve moved to areas that are close to work and anything else I want to go to. I fill up less than once a month. If gas is “really high”, it might break $40 for a fill up, which is less than I’d spend at a cheap restaurant if I got an appetizer and two entrees. It’s literally a rounding error on my monthly budget, so even if it was $20/gallon, I would be unfazed.
The best part about owning the hybrid is watching the Brahs fill up their Brodozers while you drive in, fill up, and leave for two weeks while the gently weep wondering how they can afford their protein.
We went all EV last year, and it’s been great to not care about the price of gas at the pump.
The real problem though, is all the other things you buy like clothes and groceries, etc. are impacted by the price of gas and oil used to create it and ship it around. You may not notice the price directly in fueling you car, but eventually, you will be paying dearly because of those high gas prices.
Same boat. Gas prices mostly hit people driving gas guzzlers hardest, and that’s actually a good thing. Maybe you shouldn’t drive a “non-passenger work vehicle” that exists purely in a loophole carved out by car manufacturers to avoid fuel efficiency standards as your primary personal vehicle.
US car manufacturers were incentivized to do that and to push for policy and marketing that encourages pickup ownership because pickups have had a protective tariff, making them more profitable than other types of vehicles.
The Chicken Tax is a 25 percent tariff on light trucks (and originally on potato starch, dextrin, and brandy) imposed in 1964 by the United States under President Lyndon B. Johnson in response to tariffs placed by France and West Germany on importation of U.S. chicken.[1] The period from 1961 to 1964[2] of tensions and negotiations surrounding the issue was known as the “Chicken War”, taking place at the height of Cold War politics.[3]
Eventually, the tariffs on potato starch, dextrin, and brandy were lifted,[4] but since 1964 this form of protectionism has remained in place to give US domestic automakers an advantage over imported competitors.[5] Though concern remains about its repeal,[6][7] a 2003 Cato Institute study called the tariff “a policy in search of a rationale.”[4]
If you’re an automaker, you want to market those protected vehicles to consumers, because it’s more-profitable. You don’t really have to compete with foreign-made autos in that particular class.
And you want to lobby for policy that encourages consumers to buy them. So, for example, the US has more-stringent towing standards than does Europe. You need a bigger vehicle to tow a given amount of weight…which encourages buying pickups. And the US has emissions standards that give special preference to large vehicles.
While the new emissions rules have been praised in most coverage for tightening standards and thus speeding the transition to electric vehicles, they also preserve long-standing special treatment for big trucks and SUVs, which exempt larger cars from more stringent emissions standards. The EPA has made a little-noticed attempt in the rule to keep companies from exploiting the sorts of loopholes they have in the past, but industry giveaways that were added into the final rule could undermine their ability to reduce emissions. When the rules take effect, for instance, starting with cars in the 2027 model year, Ford Super Duty pickups will reportedly be able to emit more than three times as much carbon dioxide as light-duty pickups like the still very large Ford F-150, and nearly four times as much as a passenger car.
“The biggest pickup trucks are allowed very gentle treatment. If you create a loophole, that’s what they will drive through,” Dan Becker, director of the Center for Biological Diversity’s Safe Climate Transport campaign, says of the new rules. “Vehicles are getting larger and larger because the larger the vehicle, the weaker the standard.”
I also don’t sweat gas prices but it affects a lot of people disproportionately. A lot of low income earners have to drive a lot, either because of the job or because they can’t live closer to where they work. It’s not like they charge a fuel surcharge for lawn care for example.
It’s not like they charge a fuel surcharge for lawn care for example.
A college student in my area rigged a small trailer behind his mountain bike to pull a mower and blower. His fuel costs: zero. He actually sells his service as a green lawncare and is completely booked.
Meanwhile guys roll up in their F250s and idle and blame Obama because they are not making money.
I have heard this, and it sucks, but also good. Low income earners also have considered gas an “ignorable expense” for too long. It’s something that some budget for, but for most its simply ignored.
Everyone should realize how much they depend on oil. For low income hopefully they wake up and start considering other modes of travel. Carpools, bikes, transit (and demanding better transit too). It’s not fair that it affects them more, but the vast vast majority of Americans consider gas to be “normal” and its high time everyone gets real with how fragile the system is there.
Try it sometime. Being poor saddles people with so many extra burdens, what’s one more right? Fuel has never been an “ignorable expense.”
Lots of this demographic rely on tools and supplies to perform their jobs. How would that work with carpools, bike and transit? It simply doesn’t.
I had a contractor call up 2 weeks go and tell me he couldn’t fix a problem simply because he couldn’t afford the gas to my site. He’s a great guy we’ve used for years.
I have been poor, most if my life, and I stand by it.
Your contractor? You’re thinking about gas, and your contractor is. Good. We should be thinking of gas as this wildly volatile thing that can completely upend life on the whim of giant corporations, and thinking of using alternatives.
I think of gas as a necessary thing that I need to buy to get somewhere. I’d LOVE to have an EV or a hybrid but they cost more money than I can spend on a car. The cheapest used hybrid here is 5 times what I paid for my current very reliable diesel.
My parents recently saw this when buying a new car. My mother really only drives within a 30 minute radius of home, not far. Fuel-wise, an EV would be perfect for her. But even a used hybrid was outside of the price range they could spend. So used gas engine it is.
Long term they’ll be paying more because they couldn’t handle the up front cost for the better option. What was that bit about good boots from Discworld again?
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Honestly, I can’t be bothered to get that worked up about gas. I’ve exclusively bought hybrids for like a decade now, and I’ve moved to areas that are close to work and anything else I want to go to. I fill up less than once a month. If gas is “really high”, it might break $40 for a fill up, which is less than I’d spend at a cheap restaurant if I got an appetizer and two entrees. It’s literally a rounding error on my monthly budget, so even if it was $20/gallon, I would be unfazed.
The best part about owning the hybrid is watching the Brahs fill up their Brodozers while you drive in, fill up, and leave for two weeks while the gently weep wondering how they can afford their protein.
We went all EV last year, and it’s been great to not care about the price of gas at the pump.
The real problem though, is all the other things you buy like clothes and groceries, etc. are impacted by the price of gas and oil used to create it and ship it around. You may not notice the price directly in fueling you car, but eventually, you will be paying dearly because of those high gas prices.
Same boat. Gas prices mostly hit people driving gas guzzlers hardest, and that’s actually a good thing. Maybe you shouldn’t drive a “non-passenger work vehicle” that exists purely in a loophole carved out by car manufacturers to avoid fuel efficiency standards as your primary personal vehicle.
US car manufacturers were incentivized to do that and to push for policy and marketing that encourages pickup ownership because pickups have had a protective tariff, making them more profitable than other types of vehicles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax
https://www.slashgear.com/1809287/chicken-tax-explained-history-current-impact/
If you’re an automaker, you want to market those protected vehicles to consumers, because it’s more-profitable. You don’t really have to compete with foreign-made autos in that particular class.
And you want to lobby for policy that encourages consumers to buy them. So, for example, the US has more-stringent towing standards than does Europe. You need a bigger vehicle to tow a given amount of weight…which encourages buying pickups. And the US has emissions standards that give special preference to large vehicles.
https://newrepublic.com/article/180263/epa-tailpipe-emissions-loophole
I also don’t sweat gas prices but it affects a lot of people disproportionately. A lot of low income earners have to drive a lot, either because of the job or because they can’t live closer to where they work. It’s not like they charge a fuel surcharge for lawn care for example.
A college student in my area rigged a small trailer behind his mountain bike to pull a mower and blower. His fuel costs: zero. He actually sells his service as a green lawncare and is completely booked.
Meanwhile guys roll up in their F250s and idle and blame Obama because they are not making money.
I have heard this, and it sucks, but also good. Low income earners also have considered gas an “ignorable expense” for too long. It’s something that some budget for, but for most its simply ignored.
Everyone should realize how much they depend on oil. For low income hopefully they wake up and start considering other modes of travel. Carpools, bikes, transit (and demanding better transit too). It’s not fair that it affects them more, but the vast vast majority of Americans consider gas to be “normal” and its high time everyone gets real with how fragile the system is there.
But also good?
Try it sometime. Being poor saddles people with so many extra burdens, what’s one more right? Fuel has never been an “ignorable expense.”
Lots of this demographic rely on tools and supplies to perform their jobs. How would that work with carpools, bike and transit? It simply doesn’t.
I had a contractor call up 2 weeks go and tell me he couldn’t fix a problem simply because he couldn’t afford the gas to my site. He’s a great guy we’ve used for years.
I have been poor, most if my life, and I stand by it.
Your contractor? You’re thinking about gas, and your contractor is. Good. We should be thinking of gas as this wildly volatile thing that can completely upend life on the whim of giant corporations, and thinking of using alternatives.
I think of gas as a necessary thing that I need to buy to get somewhere. I’d LOVE to have an EV or a hybrid but they cost more money than I can spend on a car. The cheapest used hybrid here is 5 times what I paid for my current very reliable diesel.
My parents recently saw this when buying a new car. My mother really only drives within a 30 minute radius of home, not far. Fuel-wise, an EV would be perfect for her. But even a used hybrid was outside of the price range they could spend. So used gas engine it is.
Long term they’ll be paying more because they couldn’t handle the up front cost for the better option. What was that bit about good boots from Discworld again?