Hello World,
Today, after careful consideration and evaluation of recent events, we have decided to defederate from Lemmygrad.
Regrettably, we have observed a significant increase in hate speech and calls to violence originating from the Lemmygrad instance. Due to the severity of the posts and comments, we are not waiting for the next Lemmy update that will allow users to block instances.
At Lemmy.world, we have always strived to foster an inclusive and welcoming user environment. However, recent posts and comments from Lemmygrad have clearly violated our server rules and, more importantly, our core values. We firmly believe that hate speech and incitement of violence have no place in our community, regardless of personal beliefs or affiliations.
As always, we encourage all users to report any content they deem inappropriate or harmful. No matter one’s stance in any conflict, Lemmy.world will always take immediate action to remove and ban any posts or comments that incite violence or propagate hatred.
We encourage everyone to continue engaging in discussions within the boundaries of respect and understanding. As we move forward with this decision, we remain committed to providing all community members with a safe and welcoming space. We appreciate your continued support and cooperation in upholding our shared principles.
Thank you,
The Lemmy.World Team
Lemmmygrad supposedly is for people who support communism, but when talking to them, they really are supporting totalitarian countries which have nothing to do with communism.
The bit that really irked me was that it was purely performative. It seemed like literally the exact same community that populated the_donald with memes and Trump train bots and the photoshopping of Trump’s pic onto Rambo. Their posts have fuck all to do with communism just like the trump posts had nothing to do with conservative politics. It was just edge faux-outrage and basically taking an opposite position for its own sake. They could simultaneously criticize Gov Newsom for not signing a trans rights bill while praising Putin who is doing his level best to make being gay illegal. It’s a mistake to see it as political discourse when it’s really just trolling. Like on the_donald, they egg each other on and have their in jokes and memes (in both the picture sense and in the actual meme sense) about walls the same way the trumpers did with helicopters.
Defederation is the best response imo.
I’ve actually once seen a tankie scream something about how the “imperial coreTM” (America) allows gay marriage, codifying Obergefell into law last year just in case SCOTUS and some red-state AG decide it needs to go and make a serious attempt at it. Some of them actually do think it’s “capitalistic degeneracy”
It is funny to mention Trump around tankies and watch their heads explode. They can’t pretend Trump is a communist, but their propaganda masters don’t want them to turn against the Republicans, so they’re just in this weird space where the only thing they can do is aggressively avoid the topic at all.
I’ve seen them actively celebrate that they don’t suffer from “Trump derangement syndrome” like liberals (supposedly) do. The longer you watch them, the more pro-fascism you see slip through
Don’t forget the classical “liberals are the real fascist allies”
Nazism was basically just liberalism taken to its conclusion. Rich people get to live in comfort as poor people die in a mass genocide.
Uhhhh. No. That’s not how it went at all. Rich Jews did not get to live in comfort, they had their wealth stolen and were killed all the same. Nazism was ethnic cleansing, antisemitism, and purging society of the “unideal”, rich or poor. The only German Jews who I think could get amnesty were those who fought for Germany in WW1 – soldiers do not tend to be rich, and their families were not extended the same amnesty, from what I recall. Otto Frank had military service but it did not save his family.
It’s rather disgusting to ignore the antisemitism and homophobia that led to genocides and reduce it to only economics.
I don’t think you’re really considering that liberalism does a lot of the same shit, only their targets are different groups which you don’t consider because it makes you feel uncomfortable.
I’ll clear that one up since everyone here seems to be boldly making inaccurate claims. They say that because media outlets and people will spend more time analyzing and critiquing Trump eating McDonalds or typing covfefe than the US, say, drone striking innocent Afghani people or the utter shit show that Libya has become due partially to the efforts of Clinton and Obama.
hexbear had an entire thread with hundreds of comments where they all agreed they hated trump and viewed him as an odious fascist
https://lemmy.ml/post/4040923?scrollToComments=true
The closest thing you find to support for trump in there is some of them thinking he is a less effective imperialist.
It’s amazing what some state-sponsored troll farms can convince people of. Some people can’t evaluate content they see online critically and gobble up the propaganda
The tactics and attitudes definitely make me think of that. It seems like the same people who showed up and fucked up a bunch of subs on reddit 6-7 years ago, like how conspiracy went from discussing things like UFOs and MK ULTRA to conservative political conspiracy theories and opposing the Democratic Party and politicians.
Are you saying MK ULTRA is just a conspiracy theory and never happened? I’ve watched documentaries on PBS, BBC and the History Channel. Clearly the program existed, as for what clandestine operations it ran, that’s certainly loaded with conspiracy theories.
If everything is a conspiracy theory, nothing is a conspiracy theory.
https://www.history.com/topics/us-government-and-politics/history-of-mk-ultra
No, I didn’t intend any meaning like that. I just said it was the sort of thing discussed on the sub prior to a bunch of bullshit.
Aww, they’re just not doing “the right kind” of communism I guess?
Show me communism that doesn’t end in genocide and totalitarian state leadership, I’ll wait.
I think that’s the point: communism had good intentions but always ended up in totalitarianism.
That’s my problem with it. For some reason they support countries which have nothing to do with being socialist or communist. It makes their philosophies and claims seem really inconsistent and not based on any real ideology. It seems like at most an anti-US, anti-EU ideology, and for some reason they scorn the same US politicians that conservatives here do, while never mentioning any problems with the people in the US who are even more against workers rights and in favor of unbridled capitalism. Also, the tactics of groups of people mocking people and comments reminds me of the shilled-out shit that showed up on reddit several years ago.
You can’t understand why or how communists and socialists would be anti-US and anti-EU? Really? Seems fairly self evident to me that that’d be the case. Why would you expect anything but hostility towards the ultra capitalist systems in the US or EU from communists and socialists? Seems like an odd complaint, anti-capitalist sentiment is part of the core of the ideology as I see it.
My question is why they’d support Russia and China instead, which are as currently as capitalist as the US and EU. And also, as noted, have scorn for the more socialist politicians in the US while not criticizing the ones that support the even more abusive capitalist policies.
Buddy, if you really believe there are active socialist politicians within the US system, I don’t know what to tell you.
Also, it’s kind of wild to call China “as capitalist as the US and EU”. Russia sure, its current system is very predatory capitalist in its makeup, even if they have particularly Russian characteristics to it. I mean, it’s hard to imagine Biden have Musk or Bezos dressed down on live television while stripping them of their assets, the way Putin did with a number of oligarchs early in his rule. But it’s very capitalist all the same. But China as capitalist as the US? That’s just nonsense. State capitalist I could understand, but capitalist like the US is just plain nonsense.
Whenever communists or socialists gather, the tankies take over.
It’s been like that since the past 100 years.
I’m not even sure they’re really tankies anymore (or the meaning of the word is changing). Actual tankies still ostensibly support communism, but all too often, it’s blatantly apparent that they’re actually right-wing totalitarians cosplaying.
Yep, it’s easy to bait them too. You make a post or comment calling out tankies for supporting authoritarianism, and out of the woodwork scurry all the “socialists and communists” to downvote you.
Thing is, a real socialist or communist hates authoritarianism too.
They’re tankies in the original sense. The word came from an incident where there was an actual honest to god socialist movement when workers were seizing the means of production, and “communist” Russia sent literal tanks to shut it down. A reporter happened to observe the whole thing in person and tried to write up the story, but his editors would only print the official U.N. statement that the tanks were stopping a fascist movement.
Thanks I’ve been wondering where the term originated
[Looks around nervously]
Aren’t we gathering here too? This defederation seems like tankies not taking over.
Anecdotally I was in a bunch of actual leftist subreddits; I only departed because capitalists enshittified the whole website.
Maybe you just didn’t recognize it. Reddit leftist spaces were famously led by tankie mods.
Yup, you would call out their BS and you get banned. The system was perfect and no one is allowed to fully criticize it.
Lost all respect for lemmygrad when they deleted a comment i made about voting for the lesser of 2 evils being the correct course of action to advance the interests of the Prolitariat in the United States. They care more about larping as revolutionaries than enacting change that actually helps the Working Class.
Yuuuup. The phrases “harm reduction” and “multi-pronged approach” just really piss them off for some reason.
I saw a lot of disapproval when California increased the fast food worker minimum wage and when Newsom signed the bill to increase sick days to 5. Yeah, they aren’t where I ideally would want them to be but this is a nice win. The “revolution” doesn’t happen over night but gradually democratically.
And amount of things Biden has done regarding unions and still bashing him for it. If Bernie did half those things people would be going crazy in the streets celebrating the “revolution”.
The “revolution” doesn’t happen over night but gradually democratically.
I think the point of a revolution is, that it is sudden and over night. Otherwise it’s called a reform. Not saying i disagree with anything else you said, just pointing out the semantics :P
And why I put it in quotes. A lot of lefties want people to go into the streets and riot and loot and march against corpos but that just isn’t the reality of it.
Leading the revolution from the $3,500 custom-built gaming rig their white upper middle class parents bought them, and while pursuing a degree that 99.99% of the working class would never end up in a job requiring it.
Are we no true scotsmanning now?
No I think they are describing their afternoon.
No, just pointing out that these people are almost always folks born into “we don’t worry about emergencies” household incomes, and yet still deign to speak over the rest of the working class where it suits them.
“Socialists can only be poor” - you
Nah, just that rich socialists shouldn’t be talking over the fucking working class and presuming to speak for them.
Such as… when?
Refusing to believe Biden was legitimately winning primaries due to votes from working class black folks and calling them “low information voters”
Guess I’ll just have to take your word for it
You’re statistically more likely to advance your own interests through direct action than by being one of hundreds of millions of voters. Licking the boot of the lesser of two evils is less productive than focusing on building the environment you want.
“I can only do one thing. Engaging in any other thing is a betrayal of the first one.”
I wanted to partake in the revolution but a friend asked if I wanted to go have launch and so I foolishly went with them.
Oh if I could only do both!
You have to wait at least two hours after eating to revolt.
Three if you’ve had cake
Oh is that why Marie Antoinette said “let them eat cake”
Huh I may have forgotten neurotypicals can do multiple things in one day 😂😭😂
It literally takes 5 minutes to go vote for most Americans, less if you early vote. If that is keeping you from doing direct action the other 364 days of the year you are just looking for an excuse to sit on your hands. The 2 are not mutually exclusive lol, lmao even.
Well, most of the time if you’re gonna vote you wanna be aware of what you’re voting for beyond “lemmy told me Sandra Buttocks is super cool and against electric guillotines for the poor”. Takes some time to evaluate people, parties and ideas properly. I was kind of obsessed with that “evaluation”, thought it was productive. Going to protests, being one in the hive, realized later I hadn’t built a life and a career that would support me well. Swapped my priorities and now I earn well as a software engineer, am building a new life I thought wasn’t possible for my family, moved them to another county instead of trying to replace the dictators cuz that’s less realistic. Simple shit that builds up. Want free healthcare? Move to free healthcare. More efficient than crying for it and becoming bankrupt.
About time.
Tolerating intolerance will only lead to intolerance.
I mean, true, but this does sound like a Michael Scott quote lol
Lmfao
I couldn’t believe it took this long.
Free speech is important. Every opinion should be heard and considered. However, your freedom ends when it crosses over someone else’s. Good riddance, i had blocked most of lemmygrad’s communities anyways, since all they did was spread propaganda and hate.
Love the mod team (being ex-reddit, never thought I’d say that), the transparency and clarity of their communication with the community is great!
Free speech is important. Every opinion should be heard and considered.
Not content-sharing with a website also isn’t in any way a violation or stifling of free speech. Lemmygrad still exists. If you want to know what they’re saying, you can go see it.
Freedom of speech does not guarantee an audience, and all that.
Amen to the mod part! Shows just what forum admins actually caring about said forum’s community can do for it
Free speech is important. Every opinion should be heard and considered.
This is as good a place as any to point out that if we federate again after users have the ability to block instances, brigadeers with ill intent will ensure that some opinions are heard more than others.
What is it they say, tolerance of intolerance only allows the spread of intolerance.
Not every opinion should be heard, because some people’s opinions are positively draconian and annoying.
Good, are you defederated from hexbear as well? If not, please do.
Actually, we’ve never been federated with Hexbear. It was blocked before they started federating with other instances.
Dope.
hexbear
I am all in! That shit is a cancer.
What exactly is going on over there? Sincere question, I’m ignorant of the Lemmy drama and cesspools.
Me too. And I’d rather not look it up, to not give them more measured attention. I’d rather ask people who experienced it :D
Oh, c’mon…
People have been celebrating when governments open their own Lemmy instance to put state services and support there and now we’re defederating the very first of such Lemmy instances, that of the People’s Republic Of China???!
/s
“… that of the People’s Republic Of China’s weird American fan club”
Pretty new to the lemmy thing. Learning the do not and safe zones of the federation.
Lemmygrad is a bit of a rabbit hole from the outside view. Like, holy shit. That place got wicked dark super fast.
I don’t even know how to get on other instances. I’m on lemmy world and that’s it. I think. Its confusing.
By being on Lemmy World you are also automatically on any other instance the server federates with. That’s the neat part, you don’t have to worry too much about it as a user.
And you are automatically excluded from any instance LW doesn’t federate to.
Lemmy really seems to be full of landmines. A lit of people here have no filter at all. I guess that’s one of the downsides of having many instances with vastly different rules interacting.
Hexbear next.
They have been defederated on Lemmy World for months: https://lemmy.world/post/2498330
But you are on aussie.zone so they might still be federated and will explain why you see their posts and communities.
Still federated with dbzer0 even though dbzer0 has a strict anti-tankie rule.
I think it is because the Lemmygrad crowd behaves better on dbzer0 than on LW.
hexbear previously, actually. lemmy dot world defederated from them quite a while ago.
Well this is a shock, anyone know what kind of stuff they’ve said exactly?
Whatever the equivalent of a Chinese weeb is.
You can imagine the sort of stuff, capitalism is evil, the west is evil, tinneman Square never happened in fact there’s no place by that name / it was all a conspiracy by the evil West.
Basically what you get is a bunch of 12-year-olds decided that they were political commentators. They’ve looked at the world and they’re unhappy with it and clearly the solution is communism.
It would be funny, but they engage in brigading and it’s annoying. If you want to see it sign out of your account and go to the instance directly.
I’d have no issue if they were interested in actual communism instead of stalinism/maoism and their hyper capitalist successors.
I also have always been strongly of the opinion they’re all on avg, junior high kids. Mainly because I also really liked communism in junior high, but they also just sound like it usually.
Some of them are quite brilliant actually, but there’s only so much good that can do when your education is still limited.
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What makes this conflict hard to stomach for many people is that there is no “good side”. I’m sick of the people defending and downplaying Israel’s genocide as much as I’m sick of people stating Hamas are freedom fighters that protect their kin.
No one was beheading babies. Please edit your post and stop spreading disinformation. This shit is exactly what Isreal wants to justify their apartheid state.
Biden said during his meeting with leaders of the Jewish community at the White House: “I never really thought that I would see and have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children.”
The Washington Post quoted a White House spokesman as saying that neither President Biden nor any US official has independently seen any photos or verified reports on this. The spokesman added that Biden’s statements regarding the alleged atrocities were based on allegations by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s spokesman and Israeli media reports.
Hamas, however, has confirmed in a statement that the Palestinian resistance does not target children and called on the Western media to be accurate in its reporting.
I don’t mind the content bashing capitalism.
Where I personally had a problem was the nonstop propaganda of revisionist history of communism.
But that led to Lemmy’s problem, where the constant BS lead to violent threats to find specific people and make them pay - names including politicians and rich people. There is a fine line between “Eat the rich” and “This person needs to accidentally get shot in the back of the head 3 times”.
Thank you good riddence
Thank you so much, it’s like the Winter Solstice came early! They’re literally a bunch of sweaty, genocide-loving neckbeards who never outgrew the college commie phase crying about how hard and unfair their upper-class suburban lives are under (their idea of) capitalism and how North Korea is secretly a paradise because “something something healthcare that probably exists there”- all from the $3000 computer whose SSD made by abused children in Taiwan has 694.20 gigabytes of porn (shot by and starring filthy-rich adult content creators), in the comfort of their septuagenarian mothers’ basements in Washington State. And they think they’d be better off under a system that would actually ship them off to die in Alaska on day one, instead of giving them a high rank and a state-issued bride. (But we Washingtonians don’t claim them)
I’m honestly surprised they had to cheer on the murder of innocent children in Israel for you guys to do this for us, when they’d spent months being all “ackchyually the Holodomor didn’t happen but I hope it happens again because daddy putin says all Ukrainians are nazis, therefore it must be true and they’d deserve it!!1”
Most of their communities were already blocked, for months.
College commie phase? Maybe in the 70s. Not any more, we have more evidence now.
Like, 90% of them are younger than HS, I’d put money on it.
https://lemmy.world/post/6703993
Incidentally, they banned me from their Instance, so that kid can’t actually see what I wrote. It’s such a counter-productive thing to their goals, banning me for arguing with them but then losing the ability to actually combat the things I say, is really, catastrophically fucking stupid, if your goal is to spread communism. Because now I’m a ghost that other people can still hear that can obliterate their arguments without them getting to respond, every time I see one.
But, it’s also the kind of thing a kid would do. Ban what they don’t like.
Finally, thank you.
Can we get the links/receipts/examples?
I’m onboard with the post, and glad to see Lemmy working as intended. Making a post (instead of silently defederating) is wonderful. That said, I think its very important to say “because of comments like X[link] and Y[link]” instead of “due to severity”.
Imagine if the roles were reversed and the CCP was saying they’re “defederating from lemmy.world due to severity”. Members should be given the 1st hand evidence, rather than 2nd hand opinions/summaries.
Good call honestly
Ditto. I’m truly amazed at all the people making comments that boil down to “you’re intolerant if you refuse to tolerate intolerance”.
It’s okay to ban shitty people. When a community is full of shitty people, it’s okay to cut them off too. Don’t like it? That’s the beauty of Lemmy: feel free to start your own instance.
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