• @FlowVoid@lemmy.world
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    38 months ago

    So when forced-birth activists block the road to an abortion clinic, then the best way to stop that is to address their issues?

    • @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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      08 months ago

      There are already laws against harassment. We don’t need to make anyone who marches in the streets a felon.

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        8 months ago

        I’m not talking about harassment. Simply protestors blocking all traffic on a street that has an abortion clinic.

        Is it good for democracy when pregnant women can’t drive to their appointment?

        While we’re at it, what about climate deniers blocking access to public chargers, thus stranding anyone using an EV?

        Or right-wingers who block off access to bike lanes just to “pwn the libs.”

        All of these have already happened, by the way. Were they good for democracy?

        • @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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          -48 months ago

          You’re making up hypotheticals that aren’t happening when the law is designed to silence civil rights protests.

            • @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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              18 months ago

              Harassment, trespassing, and illegal parking, in that order.

              Police will abuse their discretion if it’s made a felony, effectively outlawing only street protests that police don’t approve of.

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                8 months ago

                And standing in the middle of traffic is jaywalking.

                But I thought shutting down traffic was good for democracy. Should people who block access to abortion clinics be punished or not?

                • @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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                  28 months ago

                  And standing in the middle of traffic is jaywalking.

                  Then cops can issue tickets. There’s no reason to make it a felony except wanting to silence people cops don’t like.

          • @afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
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            18 months ago

            I think you should address their question. What happens when the other side imitates the tactic? Do you still support it or only when your side does it?

            I support the right of people to vote and know that I strongly disagree with how many people vote.

            • @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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              18 months ago

              Compare what happened with the BLM protests to what cops did at the insurrection.

              Cops choose to treat the causes I don’t support with kid gloves and causes I do support with brutality already. Making protesting in the streets a felony will only de facto criminalize the behavior for one side.

              • @afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
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                18 months ago

                So because a law is enforced badly anarchy should rule?

                I agree there is uneven enforcement and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if people have produced studies showing that. The solution is not to have no laws. The solution is to fix how laws are enforced.

                • @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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                  08 months ago

                  The solution is also not additional laws for police to abuse against those who want police accountability. Fix the police first, then we can talk about how you want to equate a lack of new laws with lawlessness.

                  • @afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
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                    08 months ago

                    No. Stop blocking ambulances first. We don’t need a perfect system before we have any laws.

                    Are you people going to continue to just throw random arguments at the wall to see what sticks?